Talk:Aaron Burr

Aaron Burr is currently a World history good article nominee. Nominated by Ali Beary _(talk!) at 13:52, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

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GA Nomination

I am nominating this article for GA. Please let me know about anything you think could be updated or changed. I’m open to all comments! Ali Beary _(talk!) 13:52, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Ali Beary: It looks like you've only written 3% of this article, according to Xtools. Although you have made some constructive edits, they do not make up a substantial amount of the article, so you may need some more work before nominating it as your own GA. As such, I have removed the GA nomination as a drive-by nomination (see the nomination instructions). — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 04:18, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It says I need to be in the top 5 of editors, @Vigilantcosmicpenguin… which I am. The requirements state I need to improve 10% OR be in the top 5 of authors. I will be adding this back. Thank you. Ali Beary _(talk!) 12:25, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have reviewed the article and confirm that it meets the good article criteria - the sources look good and reliable, it is well-written, neutral and verifiable. There are images throughout the article where appropriate. I loved how they even put a picture of Leslie Odom Jr. as Burr in Hamilton - I'd have never thought to put that in there. Congratulations, @Ali Beary! G o m m e h 19:25, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@GommehGaming101 @Vigilantcosmicpenguin: This review wasn't conducted properly; you need to check the sources to see if they see match the content in the article. The concerns about the drive-by nomination also haven't been resolved - in an edge case like this, you really do need to get talk page consensus for something like this before you nominate it, @Ali Beary. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 20:07, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Ali Beary is in the top 5 authors for this article, having made a significant number of edits toward it, and I did spot check the sources as required and saw nothing wrong with them. G o m m e h 20:19, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It would be best to follow the review instructions as listed at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_nominations/Instructions, even if the article is considered good enough for GA it helps to provide a proper review. The Morrison Man (talk) 20:50, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Generalissima I agree that the review wasn't conducted properly (sadly...), but what do you mean by 'talk page consesus'? I'm in the top 3 of authors now, and my % of added content is growing by the day. The person who originally called it a drive-by nomination (@Vigilantcosmicpenguin) hasn't responded to me yet, so I don't know if he approves or does not approve of me nominating the article... (I hope this makes sense.) Ali Beary _(talk!) 13:03, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't sure about the procedure for removing a GA nom, but I believe that, like Generalissima said, this is an edge case. On this article, you are the #3 author, but your edits mostly involve adding citations, reorganization, and removing content; you have not authored many of the statements in the article. So I think you still have some work to do before you can nominate this as a GA; as JackFromWisconsin said, there are some issues you might need to fix first. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 19:24, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

GA review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Aaron Burr/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Ali Beary (talk · contribs) 13:52, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: GommehGaming101 (talk · contribs) 19:38, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This article appears to be well sourced and well written. I have gone into more detail on its talk page. G o m m e h 19:38, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi GommehGaming101, thanks for helping out. A GA review should contain enough information for future readers to see how the article was evaluated, and how that evaluation found that the article met the GA criteria. In particular, a review needs to assess source usage and specifically check sources, to see whether the article contains original research or plagiarism. More detailed instructions can be seen at Wikipedia:Good article nominations/Instructions. As you have already started a review, do you want to continue it? If so, please feel free to reach out here or at WT:GAN. CMD (talk) 02:55, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No I don't. I looked at the pages with instructions and evidently they did not clarify enough of what the expectations were for a review. I'm not sure if I have the time for it. G o m m e h 19:19, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Additional comments by User:JackFromWisconsin

Hi, I have found this nomination and wanted to give a few comments.

In the Law and Politics section, these claims have no citation: He became seriously involved in politics in 1789, when Governor George Clinton appointed him as New York State Attorney General. He was also Commissioner of Revolutionary War Claims in 1791. In 1791, he was elected by the legislature as a United States Senator from New York, defeating incumbent General Philip Schuyler. He served in the U.S. Senate until 1797.

In the Duel with Hamilton section, there is no citation for the New York law conviction of death and the illegality in New Jersey. Dueling was outlawed in New York; the sentence for conviction of dueling was death. It also was illegal in New Jersey, but the criminal ramifications were less severe. On July 11, 1804, the enemies met outside Weehawken, New Jersey, at the same location where Hamilton's oldest son had been killed in a duel three years earlier. Both men fired, and Hamilton was mortally wounded by a shot just above the hip.[79]

In the Exile and return section, After returning from Europe, Burr used the surname "Edwards", his mother's maiden name, for a while to avoid creditors. With help from old friends Samuel Swartwout and Matthew L. Davis, Burr returned to New York City and his law practice. Later he helped the heirs of the Eden family in a financial lawsuit. By the early 1820s, the remaining members of the Eden household, Eden's widow and two daughters, had become a surrogate family to Burr.[107], I am having difficulty finding the citation that claims he used the name "Edwards" to avoid creditors. Granted I did not read the entire book cited (a page number would be nice), but I did a search for the name Edwards and nothing nearby would indicate that he used that name for the purpose of evading creditors. Additionally, it would be best to have separate citations for all of these claims in this paragraph, because I am unable to find the support for the lawsuit in the book cited. (Later edit: I somehow missed the page number in the citation being 397, one of the pages not on the Google preview. This is OK under the good faith principle 20:03, 13 March 2025 (UTC) )

I have not checked everything, but these were the issues I have noticed. --JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 17:57, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Great. Thank you for your help, @JackFromWisconsin, while I wait for help from the original reviewer!

If the original reviewer doesn't wish to continue reviewing after finding out how much work it is, would it be possible if you'd like to take over the review, or would you prefer only leaving additional comments? Ali Beary _(talk!) 18:01, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Ali Beary I don't think this article is GA-level at this time. There are a number of sections that are either very brief, uncited, or poorly worded. I encourage you to go through this article line-by-line and make sure that all claims are cited and that everything is explained in sufficient depth.

At this time, if I were the reviewer I'd not accept this nomination and wait until these issues have been resolved before wanting to go through a review. Thank you for your efforts and I hope to see Aaron Burr become a Good Article one day! JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 19:02, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]